Eusebius Hieronymus

Joined

• started 3 topics
• posted 141 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Eusebius Hieronymus

• 
  21

  Jehovah, and Watchtower Dishonesty

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's another example of how the society uses selective quotations.

  (see the thread blood, the watchtower and deceit for two other examples, carefully documented.

  under the title "is it wrong to pronounce gods name?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Eusebius Hieronymus

  Up!
• 
  3

  Is There A God? Who Cares?

  by Kent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the question is not that important.

  a better question is "is there a known god?

  i don't care.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Eusebius Hieronymus

  Kent, why is it that you produce such a blizzard? Why in the world start a thread like this after all the others you've started?

  Good posts get buried in the process, shoved way down the board, makes it very difficult to find them.

  You have a keen nose for what is good.

  Censor yourself by presenting the best and forgetting the trash.

  Like Farkel, I believe you would maintain your credibility better as owner of a website too. Use your power wisely rather than thoughtlessly.

  Surely you do not want to turn away more persons than you attract. That's self-defeating.

  Jerry
• 
  27

  The Truth about Venice

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ... all right, folks.

  venice is calling in the heavy artillery.

  i also have mafia connections who are not named guido, but knee-cap charlie and sal the stiletto.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Eusebius Hieronymus

  To look at the parts and not at the person is ultimately demeaning, no matter how well the object of our attention may accept it.

  It's time to "knock it off," this time.

  I can only imagine the pain of coming out of the organization in the way she has. Her story of courage is most moving and will be most memorable to me.

  Jerry
• 
  59

  Blood, The Watchtower and Deceit

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while much attention is given to doctrine in sites such as this, very little is noted about the watchtower societys intellectual dishonesty in its publications, especially when it comes to quotations.. oftentimes the societys writers will cite a scholar or author of some repute: "professor blank observes that blah, blah, blah.

  " the reader assumes from the quotation that professor blank is in agreement with the organizations position, of course, and that the quotation chosen accurately depicts the authors thoughts.. heres the catch: the words between the quotation marks may be accurate, but the snippet may not at all faithfully represent someones actual thesis or position.

  much like a newspaper ad for a movie that quotes a reviewer as saying "monumental!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Eusebius Hieronymus

  Teejay, thank you for your kind words.

  This information really is hard to take in. The Watchtower banner reads

  ABSTAIN FROM BLOOD

  "What part of that sentence don't you understand," they say. And then they proceed to say you can take fractions!

  When you read the Bible, you find out from Acts 15

  THERE WAS NO GOVERNING BODY

  D'oh. No scholar has ever claimed there was! Just us Dubs.

  In fact, Paul had to counsel those we claim were the GB. My study shows that the Watchtower articles introducing the elder arrangement were written to give some scriptural rationale for divvying up power. Made it easier to diminish the power of the president, Knorr.

  That's another story.
  Thanks for the warm welcome,

  Jerry
• 
  12

  A report you may be interested in

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am not sure where this origionated but it has been making the rounds on jw e mail so i thought i would post it for your inspection.... a report you will be interested in.... .

  brother steve lett read an announcement from the teaching committee this.

  morning.. on saturday, june 23 the country of peru was struck by an earthquake.. sadly,.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Eusebius Hieronymus

  Questions, questions.

  Have I found the pony at the bottom of the pile?

  The Governing Body is or has been redefined as "those who take the lead"
  whether anointed or other sheep?

  Otherwise they have to scrounge for someone to replace
  Swingle and Klein, and the other elderly as they die off such as Schroeder and Barr, Jaracz and Swingle.

  Wonder if this will be announced at the annual meeting.

  Jerry
• 
  59

  Blood, The Watchtower and Deceit

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while much attention is given to doctrine in sites such as this, very little is noted about the watchtower societys intellectual dishonesty in its publications, especially when it comes to quotations.. oftentimes the societys writers will cite a scholar or author of some repute: "professor blank observes that blah, blah, blah.

  " the reader assumes from the quotation that professor blank is in agreement with the organizations position, of course, and that the quotation chosen accurately depicts the authors thoughts.. heres the catch: the words between the quotation marks may be accurate, but the snippet may not at all faithfully represent someones actual thesis or position.

  much like a newspaper ad for a movie that quotes a reviewer as saying "monumental!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Eusebius Hieronymus

  Difficult to believe but I've proved it for myself. Thanks for giving me the http://www.jwbloodreview.org
  tip.

  When I take that big step back backward from the slogan we've heard for years and years, "abstain from blood," and all the argumentation involving Noachian law/covenant/principles, Mosaic Law, the Apostolic Decree, I have better perspective. Icome down with a kernel of truth.

  Blood is a symbol of something. Surely everyone agrees on that.
  The reality is human life, precious to God.
  The symbol cannot possibly be more precious than the reality.

  Therefore,
  SACRIFICING A CHILD'S LIFE COULD NOT SHOW RESPECT TO GOD.

  Plain and simple, I will no longer wait for a Governing Body majority vote on the future of myself or my children.

  Now I have grave concerns about a Governing Body. Fleshly relatives of mine have been in the organization since the 1920's and are of the anointed. To my shock I have learned they have never accepted the changing doctrines on blood, and yet I know no more loyal Witnesses. One of them said last night, "Well, the Governing Body never asked my opinion."

  The equation FDS=GB is not a Biblical formula. That's the long and short of it, Waiting.

  Have I missed anything in the above reasoning? I really appreciate the help of each one of you.

  Jerry
  Thought of something to add. Does anyone know why the New World Translation changed from "keep yourselves free ... from blood" to "abstain"?
  Is there something in print on this that I've missed? Can't find it on any search.
  Thank you.
• 
  59

  Blood, The Watchtower and Deceit

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while much attention is given to doctrine in sites such as this, very little is noted about the watchtower societys intellectual dishonesty in its publications, especially when it comes to quotations.. oftentimes the societys writers will cite a scholar or author of some repute: "professor blank observes that blah, blah, blah.

  " the reader assumes from the quotation that professor blank is in agreement with the organizations position, of course, and that the quotation chosen accurately depicts the authors thoughts.. heres the catch: the words between the quotation marks may be accurate, but the snippet may not at all faithfully represent someones actual thesis or position.

  much like a newspaper ad for a movie that quotes a reviewer as saying "monumental!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Eusebius Hieronymus

  I say again, thank you, Sir Hawk. When anyone e-mails I assume the response will be posted here. Unfortunately one can guess what it will be.

  It's been a long but informative day, ending with mixed emotion, but it's good to know someone is doing some very deep thinking in the field.

  Jerry
• 
  37

  Tertullian & June 15/00 WT on Blood

  by hawkaw in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in two paragraphs in the june 15/00 wt qfr on blood, tertullian is quoted a few times in the 5th and 6th paragraphs on page 29.

  ( http://www.jwfiles.com/blood-wt6-15-00.htm.

  i have been trying to find the exact quotes from tertullian.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Eusebius Hieronymus

  Thank you, very much.

  Took you up on all suggestions, a worth while if jarring experience. I have access to an excellent library. I guess the very fact everyone has to post anonymously, including me, is quite damning in itself. I thought the spirit of Christ brings freedom.

  Jerry
• 
  37

  Tertullian & June 15/00 WT on Blood

  by hawkaw in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in two paragraphs in the june 15/00 wt qfr on blood, tertullian is quoted a few times in the 5th and 6th paragraphs on page 29.

  ( http://www.jwfiles.com/blood-wt6-15-00.htm.

  i have been trying to find the exact quotes from tertullian.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Eusebius Hieronymus

  Is this material common knowledge?

  Thank you.

  Jerry
• 
  59

  Blood, The Watchtower and Deceit

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while much attention is given to doctrine in sites such as this, very little is noted about the watchtower societys intellectual dishonesty in its publications, especially when it comes to quotations.. oftentimes the societys writers will cite a scholar or author of some repute: "professor blank observes that blah, blah, blah.

  " the reader assumes from the quotation that professor blank is in agreement with the organizations position, of course, and that the quotation chosen accurately depicts the authors thoughts.. heres the catch: the words between the quotation marks may be accurate, but the snippet may not at all faithfully represent someones actual thesis or position.

  much like a newspaper ad for a movie that quotes a reviewer as saying "monumental!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Eusebius Hieronymus

  My apologies for not being able to read all threads here.

  For those who do, can you tell me if this article or essay has been refuted elsewhere on the board?

  Do you view this as credible? Believeable?

  I'm most sincere in this inquiry. I have grave concerns about the JW blood doctrine.